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About MinedBlock

The facts of the crypto economy put mining in a precarious position for 2019. GPU mining is completely dead, and many mining giants are close. So where will the crypto money mining be in 2019?
The lost profit margins will likely continue to centralize the mining power in several large-scale operations, and will become increasingly difficult for individuals to acquire the profit mining cryptocurrency, especially Bitcoin. The crypto world enjoyed the centralization of mining power in these years when the BCH was divided by SV and ABC. Indeed, most experts point to this as the catalyst that shakes the market.
Decreasing returns for miners are being cooked in Bitcoin, so there is not much to do. Moreover, the logic of capitalism meeting the cryptocurrency means that individual miners have nothing to do to compete. A demographic mining shift likely to occur in 2018 is the supportive legislation for mining, as well as competing for mines for countries with cheap energy costs.
What is CPU Mining?
In the early days of Bitcoin, it was possible to mining with any computer (it is still possible, of course, but not materially profitable because it costs much more than its revenue). Even the official Bitcoin client Bitcoin-QT self-mining was openly presented to the user. What we call CPU mining, the computer used in the CPU, the power of the central processing unit of the computer, taking advantage of the above-mentioned mathematical operations to do the computer and as a result was to obtain Bitcoin. But soon after, more people became familiar with Bitcoin, and the mining stream became obsolete, which increased the overall processing speed of the network and raised the level of difficulty. But the end of the era of CPU mining was not the only one. There is another factor that causes this Buna
What is GPU Mining?
Graphics cards are more efficient than processors (CPUs) to solve the mathematical problems required to perform Bitcoin (and some other coins) mining. The reason for this is that the GPUs (Graphics Processing Unit), the processors of the graphics cards, are more efficient in the floating point calculations and the processes required for Bitcoin extraction are intensively used by these calculations. That is to say, in a parable that the GPUs are more effective in the mining process than the CPUs, which will also be understood by those who do not. Çiler If the GPUs are strong and fast mine workers, the CPUs are more qualified, white-collar workers. The CPUs are perhaps more educated and knowledgeable, but GPUs are much more effective for mining.
What is MinedBlock?
MinedBlock Limited will be responsible for the smooth operation, repair and expansion of physical assets, as well as fully cover all expenses incurred in excess of the profits. Under no contingency, users and token holders will not cover any costs and damages in the event of any unforeseen circumstances.
All existing wallet addresses that belong to the company will be posted on the investor's information panel and this will allow all participants to see all the assets of the MinedBlock company at any time.
The main principle of MinedBlock is to provide maximum transparency for all its customers and long-term investors. MinedBlock will fully disclose its plans and intentions, as well as information about progress and profit.
All information on expenses and incomes will be published monthly for review and viewing by all users and tokens holders in order to ensure maximum transparency of the entire platform and service of controlled mining.
Digital needle search in digital straw stack Digital
There is one thing that I want to draw attention to very briefly before I go to the topic: Bitcoin extraction, ie mining to get some bitcoin, is not the sole purpose of mining. Bitcoin miners, also called Blockchain and BTC is one of the features of the BTC and decentralized account to keep the book, which is why this is what it is and what is the subject of another article also be the subject. For now, let's just think of the mining as mak to find/remove bitcoin co Şimd
Bitcoin mining is, in fact, very, very, in summary, the search for a number that is characteristic of your computer, and what makes this number so special is that it is difficult to find and difficult to find.
Bitcoin mining is getting harder
The reason for it to be difficult and difficult is not by chance. This is because the Bitcoin protocol is being designed, a security measure set by Satoshi Nakamoto. This security measure (that is, it is difficult to find) is that everyone can't perform in Bitcoin printing ”(and/or manipulate Blockchain)) according to his head.
Actually, think of the mining as a game of chance that you play on your computer or, as I wrote above, in a straw stack of numbers, again by searching for numbers. Assume that each of your search moves is proportional to your processing power. In this case, the more CPU power you put into this, the more likely you are to find a needle in the haystack.
In the meantime, you can imagine that the digital straw stack in question is gigantic and the needle is tiny. And it is not possible to I start looking from a corner of the haystack asyon and to use the optimization methods in such ways to shorten/increase your chances. This is going to be a bad example, but think that the needle is constantly and randomly displaced.
MinedBlock mining As A Service.
MinedBlock offers the open door for financial specialists to exploit utilizing the assets from a huge scale mining task, mining numerous crypto resources without the need to purchase, design and keep up costly mining hardware.
MinedBlock one of a kind way to deal with this movement gives you a completely verified and agreeable token giving you an offer of responsibility for holding organization behind the administration and not only an ‘arbitrary utility token.
How is MinedBlock Different From Cloud Mining?
With a cloud mining service, you usually purchase contracts for a particular hashrate for 5 years. With such an agreement, it will usually take you about 48 months to compensate for your costs by leaving 1/5 of the contract requirement to make some profit. What many people don't consider is that you'll probably never make a real profit, unless the network challenge will increase at that time, that is, the price of Bitcoin is not dramatically increased.
There are different arrangements out there, for example, cloud mining administrations, yet they aren’t straightforward or financially savvy and MinedBlock means to change that. There have been various mining ICOs directed through 2017/2018 that offered an offer of digging income as an end-result of speculation however that haven’t led their token deal as a controlled Security Token Offering which builds the hazard to speculators.
MinedBlock ICO
Token: MBTX
Token Type: ERC20
Price: 1 MBTX = 0.15 USD
Buy with: BTC,
Buy with: LTC,
Buy with: ETH,
Buy with: BCH
Market Soft Cap: 1,000,000 USD
Market Hard Cap: 30,000,000 USD
Website: https://www.minedblock.io/
Whitepaper: https://www.minedblock.io/assets/MinedBlockWhitepaper.pdf
Bounty0x Username: arifcakir13
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Subreddit Stats: Bitcoin posts from 2018-10-09 to 2018-10-16 19:41 PDT

Period: 7.10 days
Submissions Comments
Total 765 10226
Rate (per day) 107.80 1494.28
Unique Redditors 596 3440
Combined Score 31658 33963

Top Submitters' Top Submissions

  1. 4526 points, 1 submission: Alexsayzz
    1. Anti-crypto propaganda... promoted by American Express (4526 points, 513 comments)
  2. 2391 points, 2 submissions: MoonMan_666
    1. Someone just paid $0.10 to move $194M (29,999 BTC). Think about how powerful that is for a second. (2369 points, 380 comments)
    2. Dev sends Bitcoin without using the web or the power grid (22 points, 4 comments)
  3. 2077 points, 1 submission: _Logicrypto
    1. When your boss thanks you for staying late at work but you were just watching the Bitcoin price and lost track of time (2077 points, 69 comments)
  4. 1496 points, 1 submission: bitbug42
    1. ⚡Lightning Network at the Senate - Counterargument to Roubini's speech that Bitcoin can never scale to serve the planet (1496 points, 186 comments)
  5. 1417 points, 1 submission: opencoins
    1. Why sell and pay capital gains, why not wait for mass adoption? That's my motto. (1417 points, 244 comments)
  6. 1174 points, 1 submission: awertheim
    1. Took a while but finally part of the picture club (had to wait on the web browser update!) (1174 points, 127 comments)
  7. 853 points, 1 submission: Hodl_it
    1. Feeling good? (853 points, 215 comments)
  8. 833 points, 1 submission: cointastical
    1. Bitcoin ATM operator gets the $62,500 that police confiscated back (833 points, 110 comments)
  9. 802 points, 2 submissions: JandyJammer
    1. Congratulations US senators for understanding crypto better than this guy (748 points, 125 comments)
    2. How is Bitmex the biggest exchange... total joke. I hope their competitors crush them. (54 points, 49 comments)
  10. 704 points, 1 submission: lesbiansareoverrated
    1. ...in case you missed the laura shill burn today (704 points, 100 comments)
  11. 512 points, 5 submissions: castorfromtheva
    1. Mycelium wallet will FINALLY get segwit! "This month" as stated by Mycelium developers on 9 October 2018. Glad to hear! I am excited. (312 points, 136 comments)
    2. Just saw it on their website: Ledger Nano S 20% off, directly from manufacturer! For six days, starting today. Just in case you consider getting a hardware wallet. (146 points, 84 comments)
    3. Newsflash: Bitfinex Unveils ‘Distributed Banking Solution,’ Resumes Fiat Deposits (44 points, 8 comments)
    4. Binance Uganda Launch 80% Ready As Users Can Now Sign Up: Deposits & Trading Coming Soon (8 points, 1 comment)
    5. Article: "Cryptos at a turning point", trustnodes.com (2 points, 0 comments)
  12. 510 points, 4 submissions: eddieweng
    1. Someone moved 12,220 BTC ($82M) in block 545,877 (393 points, 180 comments)
    2. Someone moved 22,200 BTC ($139M) in block 545,243 (90 points, 38 comments)
    3. CoinMarketBull – CoinMarketCap, but with a different metric (26 points, 4 comments)
    4. holdernews - trending stories on bitcointalk (1 point, 0 comments)
  13. 387 points, 1 submission: StoneHammers
    1. We are three months away from Bitcoins 10 year anniversary. (387 points, 39 comments)
  14. 366 points, 3 submissions: TrackCoinMarket-com
    1. Citizens of Venezuela have turned to Bitcoin and gold farming in online games to survive the country’s economic collapse. (365 points, 60 comments)
    2. Zambian Central Bank Declares Bitcoin Is Not Legal Tender (1 point, 7 comments)
    3. Bitcoin is Maturing, Crypto Growth Surprisingly Positive Reveals Study (0 points, 3 comments)
  15. 358 points, 1 submission: musicfan39
    1. Bitcoin all-time price graph (Aug 2010 – Oct 2018) (358 points, 84 comments)
  16. 311 points, 5 submissions: TheGreatMuffin
    1. Bitfinex' statement on fiat deposits/withdrawals (tldr: fiat and crypto withdrawals working, fiat deposits temporarily paused) (103 points, 52 comments)
    2. Bitfinex suspends all fiat deposits, “expects the situation to normalize within a week” (78 points, 62 comments)
    3. Fidelity gives a nod to OG cypherpunks (mentioning Adam Back, Nick Szabo, David Chaum) and bitcoin's precursors in their newest blog post (78 points, 0 comments)
    4. full video of the US Senate hearing on cryptocurrency: with P. Van Valkenburgh and N. Roubini as witnesses (starts at minute 16) (31 points, 5 comments)
    5. Interview with one of the creators of the Samourai wallet (21 points, 1 comment)
  17. 305 points, 1 submission: 6maud
    1. Jamie Dimon: Bitcoin is a scam. Also Jamie Dimon: Let's file 20 blockchain patents so we don't miss out on this blockchain thing. facepalm (305 points, 93 comments)
  18. 274 points, 2 submissions: undertheradar48
    1. $6.9 trillion of assets just got access to the world of crypto! (169 points, 24 comments)
    2. 1.65 Million people are attending over 5,000 Bitcoin meetups around the world. Organic interest/curiosity is real! (105 points, 41 comments)
  19. 265 points, 1 submission: NoGooderr
    1. Shorters, are you okay? (265 points, 123 comments)
  20. 253 points, 5 submissions: _smudger_
    1. Bakkt CEO: We're About To See A Cryptocurrency Revolution (130 points, 29 comments)
    2. Our team, launch and advocacy – Bakkt Blog – Medium (104 points, 33 comments)
    3. Coinbase's Adam White is joining Bakkt as its COO - The Block (16 points, 1 comment)
    4. The Bright Side of the 2018 Bitcoin Bear Market – Wes Carlson – Medium (2 points, 0 comments)
    5. Analysis: ErisX & Bakkt Are All in on the Battle for Institutional Cash (1 point, 0 comments)
  21. 247 points, 1 submission: Fly115
    1. It would be impossible for every Fidelity brokerage customer to own even one Bitcoin. This is why Bitcoins are worth thousands of dollars, while a dollar is only worth one dollar (and only until next year when when it's worth 97 cents). - Erik Voorhees (247 points, 129 comments)
  22. 237 points, 1 submission: manfromnantucket1984
    1. Bear markets are for building! 🐻⚡ While the price is doing what it does, we continue to build the #LightningNetwork at the #LightningHackdayNYC in New York on October 27th/28th 2018. Speakers like Christian Decker, Matt Corallo and Peter Todd will take you down the rabbit hole. (237 points, 15 comments)
  23. 232 points, 1 submission: TheMidnightMatinee
    1. Guys lets rally and show your support for an BTC ETF! Here's why! (232 points, 63 comments)
  24. 231 points, 2 submissions: installeris
    1. Fidelity just made it easier for hedge funds and other pros to invest in cryptocurrencies (169 points, 36 comments)
    2. Nouriel Roubini has always been talking sh*t about Bitcoin. And he's always wrong. (62 points, 29 comments)
  25. 226 points, 1 submission: lewtr
    1. An easter egg in the Bitcoin genesis block code (226 points, 40 comments)
  26. 218 points, 1 submission: Unusual_Mountain
    1. Bitcoin as a safe haven from monetary policy can help keep governments and banks honest. It doesn't have to replace them. (218 points, 85 comments)
  27. 214 points, 1 submission: Mobilenewsflash
    1. Roubini (214 points, 50 comments)
  28. 212 points, 1 submission: CardCollector1
    1. Getting Started with BTCPay Server - Free and Open Source Bitcoin and Lightning Network payment processor (212 points, 75 comments)
  29. 201 points, 1 submission: yonstonston
    1. Sorry guys, i bought BTC yesterday... (201 points, 72 comments)
  30. 161 points, 2 submissions: linzex
    1. A Bitcoin Lesson From A Yogi Master (93 points, 6 comments)
    2. ChangeNow Exchange Accused of $70,000 Theft (68 points, 8 comments)
  31. 159 points, 3 submissions: zappadoing
    1. greetings from holidays - I thought I won't have to read anything about bitcoin this time... (130 points, 12 comments)
    2. Telegram down! Lots of Bitcoin-Groups not accessible. We need something decentralized. (19 points, 26 comments)
    3. Colleges Are Baffled by Bitcoin Donations (10 points, 0 comments)
  32. 159 points, 1 submission: Crevative
    1. Zimbabwe spirals into economic chaos as fears of another round of hyperinflation begin to spark - another fiat currency fails! (159 points, 20 comments)
  33. 147 points, 1 submission: lexihayes99
    1. Just wanted to remind people of a simpler time :) (147 points, 196 comments)
  34. 146 points, 1 submission: Rare_Ad
    1. Bitcoin was a tool that was born of the economic crisis some 10 years ago, does that mean another big recession or banking collapse could catapult it forward? (146 points, 87 comments)
  35. 146 points, 1 submission: vmrey
    1. Buda, the largest crypto exchange by volume in Chile, is one of the first to incorporate Lightning network. (146 points, 14 comments)
  36. 145 points, 1 submission: wwwdata
    1. I own crypto but not Bitcoin. (145 points, 243 comments)
  37. 141 points, 9 submissions: expertbit
    1. This E-Bike Accepts Payments With Bitcoin's Lightning Network (51 points, 3 comments)
    2. Bitcoin [BTC] transfers will become a lot faster with Liquid Network, says Jimmy Song (37 points, 58 comments)
    3. Top Universities Are Now Investing in Cryptocurrency Funds (18 points, 0 comments)
    4. Indian Exchange Unocoin Could Launch Crypto ATMs (17 points, 0 comments)
    5. Bitcoin Price Stability -- A Bullish Or Bearish Sign? (15 points, 1 comment)
    6. Don’t Underestimate China’s Power In Bitcoin (2 points, 3 comments)
    7. Bitcoin Price Analysis: Bulls Defend Yearly Support Amidst Wall Street Slump (1 point, 0 comments)
    8. Bitcoin Network Comes To A Standstill In China (0 points, 2 comments)
    9. Bitcoin Price Jumps by $600 to Reach One-Month High Above $6.9k (0 points, 0 comments)
  38. 137 points, 1 submission: diditmakesound
    1. Everyone still buying right now (137 points, 30 comments)
  39. 135 points, 1 submission: gattacibus
    1. POLONIEX suspends Bitcoin withdrawals (135 points, 86 comments)
  40. 129 points, 3 submissions: nopara73
    1. Wasabi Wallet added OSX support. Please consider testing it. (55 points, 25 comments)
    2. Scoring Bitcoin Wallets (38 points, 25 comments)
    3. A Technical Overview of Wasabi Wallet, Future Ideas, Plans and Strategy (36 points, 1 comment)
  41. 123 points, 1 submission: Big_Bluefin
    1. Live from Fremont Street in Las Vegas (123 points, 20 comments)
  42. 121 points, 1 submission: agustinf
    1. Latin American Exchange Buda.com adds Lightning Network payments for all. (121 points, 17 comments)
  43. 118 points, 2 submissions: TheCrunk1
    1. Fidelity launches new company for trading, storing cryptocurrencies (98 points, 26 comments)
    2. Binance launches fiat-to-crypto exchange in Uganda (20 points, 7 comments)
  44. 112 points, 1 submission: Thinkmoreaboutit
    1. "Over the weekend I sent a bitcoin transaction to a relay 12.6km away with no cell network or internet connection. Here's a tweetstorm about how I used @gotenna and @SamouraiWallet to do it" [email protected] (112 points, 20 comments)
  45. 111 points, 1 submission: Jackieknows
    1. When it comes to your coins, keep it quiet. – Trezor Blog (111 points, 10 comments)
  46. 110 points, 1 submission: 100ravp
    1. Someone solved the 310.00 BTC challenge (110 points, 87 comments)
  47. 110 points, 1 submission: loulan
    1. There was an attempt (110 points, 78 comments)
  48. 106 points, 1 submission: king-only
    1. Breez, a Lightning Network mobile client, is now fully open sourced (106 points, 19 comments)
  49. 101 points, 2 submissions: HodlingToTheMoon
    1. Websites using Joomla (second most popular platform after Wordpress), can now be enabled with Bitcoin payments - In less than 5 min! (98 points, 5 comments)
    2. Got business on your mind? Here are 7 easy and genuine ideas to start a Bitcoin-centric e-commerce store! (3 points, 0 comments)
  50. 98 points, 1 submission: ubunt2
    1. Fidelity Starts Crypto Unit to Serve Wall Street Customers (98 points, 4 comments)
  51. 97 points, 1 submission: CosmicHemorroid
    1. Lightning Powered E-bike #Reckless (97 points, 22 comments)
  52. 96 points, 3 submissions: DesignerAccount
    1. Bitcoin is all grown up! (83 points, 6 comments)
    2. [Bitcoin OpSec - Keep your coins safe] Detailed breakdown of sophisticated scam (12 points, 6 comments)
    3. Infographic - How do UTXOs work? (1 point, 0 comments)
  53. 96 points, 1 submission: bowlingfries
    1. Bitcoin kiosk in Portland OR weed dispensary (96 points, 21 comments)
  54. 94 points, 1 submission: nassimmontreal
    1. #roubinilovescrypto (94 points, 37 comments)
  55. 92 points, 2 submissions: ella11price
    1. Selling goods and items for Bitcoin should be easy. I built a marketplace similar to eBay so people can sell anything for crypto. This video explains it. (91 points, 63 comments)
    2. The best ways to earn bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Includes how to spot a scam (1 point, 0 comments)
  56. 91 points, 1 submission: ytcoinartist
    1. The Golden Pineapple, a 3D combination puzzle for all ages and free to play. Be the first to solve the final level and win 1 BTC, courtesy of The Pineapple Fund. http://pineapplearcade.net/arcade-game/pineapple (91 points, 25 comments)
  57. 89 points, 1 submission: Rachsuchtig
    1. An BTC ATM at Austria/Salzburg Shopping Arena, totally surprised to see (89 points, 11 comments)
  58. 87 points, 2 submissions: Ishan1121
    1. Bitcoin proves once again its the best way to transfer money! $194 million transferred for 10 cents. (87 points, 18 comments)
    2. Discussion: So Bitcoin rises as fake news on Binance delisting Tether (USDT) goes viral...removing Tether completley will affect the market positively? THoughts? (0 points, 6 comments)
  59. 87 points, 1 submission: Blixx87
    1. I finally figured it out! We have been forming a Dorito Pattern and it’s on it’s way to the cheese dip. (87 points, 49 comments)
  60. 86 points, 8 submissions: EffigyBoy
    1. Venezuelans Play RuneScape To Make Small Profit In Bitcoin (31 points, 4 comments)
    2. CFTC Chair On Bitcoin Expansion: "We Are Seeing More Institutional Movement Into This Area" (26 points, 0 comments)
    3. The Indian Government is Considering to Launch Its Own Cryptocurrency to Avoid Citizens Using Bitcoin (13 points, 14 comments)
    4. The Congress Is Groping In The Dark To Handle Cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin has come into the mainstream. (6 points, 0 comments)
    5. After Stock Markets Plunge Cryptocurrency Whale Dumps over 22 100 BTC (5 points, 11 comments)
    6. Scientific Journal 'Chaos' Favors Bitcoin – As stable as Oil and Dollar Markets (2 points, 1 comment)
    7. The First Physical Cryptocurrency Store in The U.S. Launches on October 20 (2 points, 1 comment)
    8. Omniex and Gemini Struck A Partnership to Support Institutional Investors (1 point, 0 comments)
  61. 85 points, 2 submissions: jakesonwu
    1. Release - Eclair v0.2-beta7 - Compatible with Bitcoin Core 0.17.0 (75 points, 8 comments)
    2. Lord Keynes Would Be Proud (10 points, 1 comment)
  62. 84 points, 2 submissions: renepickhardt
    1. ECDSA is not that bad: two-party signing without Schnorr or BLS (by Stepan Snigirev) (53 points, 7 comments)
    2. Last week in Lightning Network: A weekly collection of lightning network (and related) news on Twitter (31 points, 6 comments)
  63. 83 points, 3 submissions: OldCarpet54
    1. [GIVEAWAY] Crypto Invest Summit – Wozniak, Gupta, Morehead (82 points, 1 comment)
    2. blockchain news: from SF Blockchain Week and XBlockchain (1 point, 0 comments)
    3. Buterin | SpankChain | Kambria: San Francisco Blockchain Week (0 points, 0 comments)
  64. 83 points, 1 submission: -elektro-pionir-
    1. AMA with Bitcoin engineer Jameson Lopp (83 points, 21 comments)
  65. 80 points, 3 submissions: ysangkok
    1. Bitcoin script discussion at Scaling Bitcoin: "Sporks are probabilistic soft-forks [...] where instead of [...] version bits if the blockhash has some [...] PoW below some threshold, it activates. [...] [E.g.] you have an expectation of 6 months to get your shit together. Doing it live." (28 points, 3 comments)
    2. Multi-Hop Locks for Secure, Privacy-Preserving and Interoperable Payment-Channel Networks (27 points, 8 comments)
    3. Scaling Bitcoin Kaizen - Scriptless scripts, adaptor signatures and their applications (25 points, 2 comments)
  66. 78 points, 3 submissions: mkuraja
    1. What's the difference between Lightning Network and Liquid Network? (57 points, 41 comments)
    2. Need some fresh, new FOMO in your life? Reenter, Trace Mayer. (15 points, 1 comment)
    3. This American tourist thought I'd see "Bitcoin Accepted Here" all over Tokyo, Japan but not one place found yet. (6 points, 17 comments)
  67. 77 points, 1 submission: Miladran
    1. Fidelity Says It Will Trade Bitcoin for Hedge Funds (77 points, 1 comment)
  68. 77 points, 1 submission: pandaman200
    1. Swiss Crypto Fund Obtains Country’s First Crypto Asset Management License (77 points, 4 comments)
  69. 75 points, 3 submissions: mickhick95
    1. I purchased a goTenna to broadcast my BTC transactions with TxTenna and Samourai Wallet. (44 points, 15 comments)
    2. I saw a Bitcoin ATM and I had to make a purchase. (28 points, 41 comments)
    3. 303-ish Days in the BTC Bear Market, This Sideways Motion Looks Like A Turn Around!!! (3 points, 16 comments)
  70. 75 points, 1 submission: hcarpach
    1. Venezuelan cryptocurrency miner: “we are police’s most wanted” (75 points, 21 comments)
  71. 73 points, 6 submissions: WorkCoin_Team
    1. “Bitcoin enables certain uses that are very unique. I think it offers possibilities that no other currency allows. For example the ability to spend a coin that only occurs when two separate parties agree to spend the coin; with a third party that couldn’t run away with the coin itself.” – Pieter Wui (66 points, 14 comments)
    2. Revolution of Bitcoin (5 points, 3 comments)
    3. A Funny Bitcoin Thought (2 points, 20 comments)
    4. Getting started with Bitcoin (0 points, 1 comment)
    5. Make your foundation strong (0 points, 0 comments)
    6. What are you not willing to compromise? (0 points, 6 comments)
  72. 73 points, 1 submission: ozdixon
    1. Bitcoin accepted at a absenth bar in Prague. (73 points, 11 comments)
  73. 72 points, 1 submission: Itasia
    1. What Are Atomic Swaps? Ultimate Guide (72 points, 16 comments)
  74. 71 points, 1 submission: MannyAndDrChurchShow
    1. I wonder if they would still honor this card.... (71 points, 9 comments)
  75. 68 points, 4 submissions: grittygatorr
    1. Liquid Network - the world’s first production Bitcoin sidechain has officially gone live (65 points, 100 comments)
    2. XDEX Advertises Commission-Free Bitcoin Trading in Brazil (2 points, 0 comments)
    3. Coinfloor to Cut on Staff and Reorganize Amid Volume Fluctuations in the Crypto Markets (1 point, 0 comments)
    4. Barclays Temporarily Suspends Work on Cryptocurrency Trading Project (0 points, 1 comment)
  76. 68 points, 1 submission: WouterGlorieux
    1. Introducing 'The Bitcoin Spellbook': an open-source REST API server for the back-end of (almost) any Bitcoin application. (Think of it as your own IfThisThenThat server but for Bitcoin) (68 points, 3 comments)
  77. 67 points, 1 submission: Vaultoro_official
    1. Leading up to the LightingNetwork Hackathon in NY, I thought I would post the talks we filmed at the Berlin lightningHackDay. Some amazing talks! (67 points, 1 comment)
  78. 65 points, 1 submission: Komodor123
    1. Do you speak more than one language? Then help spread Bitcoin around the world by translating Bitcoin.org! (65 points, 28 comments)
  79. 63 points, 1 submission: Sandiegosurf1
    1. Fidelity Launches Institutional Crypto Trading and Clearing. Let the institutional money flow! (63 points, 1 comment)
  80. 63 points, 1 submission: TearAnus-SoreAssRekt
    1. Buying PC Games With Bitcoin: Site Reviews (with some accepting Lightning!) (63 points, 7 comments)
  81. 62 points, 1 submission: CryptoCloaks
    1. We finally got our RaspiBlitz case to a level we love! Time for load testing to check thermals, final mods are almost done! (62 points, 10 comments)
  82. 61 points, 1 submission: sagiher
    1. #Liberte#CaribbeanBitcoin#ShoutOutToAllBitcoinDeveloperOutThere (61 points, 9 comments)

Top Commenters

  1. PragmaticParadox (465 points, 7 comments)
  2. ikarienator (462 points, 1 comment)
  3. Hanspanzer (434 points, 106 comments)
  4. Toyake (434 points, 71 comments)
  5. uglymelt (394 points, 3 comments)
  6. UsherTechs (377 points, 1 comment)
  7. isdudu (345 points, 4 comments)
  8. TyroneTheDriver (307 points, 1 comment)
  9. Rattlesnake_Mullet (296 points, 11 comments)
  10. andycam7 (282 points, 3 comments)
  11. dmdeemer (275 points, 1 comment)
  12. BTCkoning (266 points, 114 comments)
  13. CP70 (257 points, 7 comments)
  14. ascension8438 (239 points, 7 comments)
  15. Fly115 (226 points, 9 comments)
  16. haribo_2016 (220 points, 4 comments)
  17. dsmid (214 points, 1 comment)
  18. i_gotta_say (208 points, 87 comments)
  19. TheGreatMuffin (206 points, 56 comments)
  20. ebaley (198 points, 34 comments)
  21. bitsteiner (185 points, 86 comments)
  22. Redditridder (181 points, 5 comments)
  23. KupKhunKrap (173 points, 36 comments)
  24. 45sbvad (169 points, 3 comments)
  25. c3corvette (165 points, 2 comments)
  26. killerstorm (163 points, 8 comments)
  27. evilgrinz (158 points, 48 comments)
  28. chronic_nervosa (140 points, 1 comment)
  29. bigdaddysdick (136 points, 7 comments)
  30. castorfromtheva (129 points, 27 comments)
  31. Touchmyhandle (125 points, 12 comments)
  32. Euphoricsoul (122 points, 1 comment)
  33. WaterMac27 (122 points, 1 comment)
  34. DSXIII (118 points, 1 comment)
  35. RIMS_REAL_BIG (117 points, 24 comments)
  36. cryptogrip (112 points, 39 comments)
  37. WalterRyan (108 points, 10 comments)
  38. sudophant (107 points, 5 comments)
  39. NotSeeTroll (104 points, 37 comments)
  40. deadleg22 (104 points, 10 comments)
  41. shared_makes_it_real (103 points, 26 comments)
  42. alexiglesias007 (103 points, 7 comments)
  43. Buttoshi (102 points, 68 comments)
  44. flunderbossanova (102 points, 59 comments)
  45. lexihayes99 (101 points, 28 comments)
  46. mabezard (101 points, 2 comments)
  47. peniswithahoodie (98 points, 1 comment)
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The Strange Birth & History of Monero, Part IV: Monero "as it is now"

You can read here part III.
You can read this whole story translated into Spanish here
This is part IV, the last but not least.
Monero - A secure, private, untreceable cryptocurrency
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0
Notable comments in this thread:
-201: “I would like to offer 1000 MRO to the first person who creates a pool”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6422665#msg6422665)
[tacotime offers bounty to potential pool developer. Bytecoin devs haven’t released any code for pools, and the only existent pool, minergate (in the future related to BCN interests) was closed source]
-256: “Adam back seems to like CryptoNote the better than Zerocash https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/453493394472697856”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6440769#msg6440769)
-264: “update on pools: The NOMP guy (zone117x) is looking to fork his open source software and get a pool going, so one should hopefully be up soon.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6441302#msg6441302)
-273: “Update on GUI: othe from VertCoin has notified me that he is working on it.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6442606#msg6442606)
-356: “Everyone wanting a pool, please help raise a bounty with me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589533.0
And for the GUI:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589561.0”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6461533#msg6461533)
[5439 MRO + 0.685 BTC + 5728555.555 BCN raised for pool and 1652 XMR, 121345.46695471 BCN for the GUI wallet. Though this wallet was "rejected" as official GUI because wallet still has to be polished before building a GUI]
-437: “Yes, most Windows users should see a higher hashrate with the new build. You can thank NoodleDoodle. ”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6481202#msg6481202)
-446: “Even faster Windows binaries have just been uploaded. Install for more hash power! Once again, it was NoodleDoodle.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6483680#msg6483680)
-448: “that almost doubled my hashrate again! GREAT STUFF !!!”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6484109#msg6484109)
-461: “Noodle only started optimization today so there may be gains for your CPU in the future.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6485247#msg6485247)
[First day of miner optimization by NoodleDoodle, it is only May 1st]
-706: “The unstoppable NoodleDoodle has optimized the Windows build again. Hashrate should more than double. Windows is now faster than Linux. :O”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6549444#msg6549444)
-753: “i here tft is no longer part of the project. so is he forking or relaunching bytecoin under new name and new parameters (merged mining with flatter emission curve.) also. what is the end consensus for the emission curve for monero. will it be adjusted."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6561345#msg6561345)
[May, 5th 2014. TFT is launching FANTOMCOIN, a clone coin which its "only" feature was merged mining]
-761: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6561941#msg6561941) [May, 5th 2014 – eizh on emission curve and tail emission]
-791: “As promised, I did Russian translation of main topic.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6565521#msg6565521)
[one among dozens of decentralized and “altruist” collaborators of Monero in minor tasks]
-827: image
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6571652#msg6571652)
-853: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6575033#msg6575033)
[some are not happy that NoodleDoodle had only released the built binaries, but not the source code]
-950: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6593768#msg6593768)
[Rias, an account suspected to be related to the Bytecoin scam, dares to tag Monero as “instamine”]
-957: “It's rather bizarre that you're calling this an "instamine" scam when you're so fervently supporting BCN, which was mined 80% before entering the clearnet. Difficulty adjustments are per block, so there is no possibility of an instamine unless you don't publish your blockchain (emission is regular at the preset interval, and scales adequately with the network hash rate). What you're accusing monero of is exactly what ByteCoin did.”
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6594025#msg6594025
[Discussion with rias drags on for SEVERAL posts]
-1016: “There is no "dev team". There is a community of people working on various aspects of the coin.
I've been keeping the repo up to date. NoodleDoodle likes to optimise his miner. TFT started the fork and also assists when things break. othe's been working on a GUI. zone117x has been working on a pool.
It's a decentralized effort to maintain the fork, not a strawman team of leet hackers who dwell in the underbellies of the internet and conspire for instamines.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6596828#msg6596828)
-1023: “Like I stated in IRC, I am not part of the "dev team", I never was. Just so happens I took a look at the code and changed some extremely easy to spot "errors". I then decided to release the binary because I thought MRO would benefit from it. I made this decision individually and nobody else should be culpable”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6597057#msg6597057)
[Noodledoodle gets rid of the instaminer accusations]
-1029: “I decided to relaunch Monero so it will suit all your wishes that you had: flatter emission curve, open source optimized miner for everybody from the start, no MM with BCN/BMR and the name. New Monero will be ready tomorrow”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6597252#msg6597252)
[people trying to capitalize mistakes is always there.]
-1030: "Pull request has been submitted and merged to update miner speed
It appears from the simplicity of the fix that there may have been deliberate crippling of the hashing algorithm from introduction with ByteCoin."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6597460#msg6597460
[tacotime “officially” raises suspects of possible voluntarily crippled miner]
-1053: "I don't mind the 'relaunch' or the merge-mining fork or any other new coin at all. It's inevitable that the CryptoNote progresses like scrypt into a giant mess of coins. It's not undesirable or 'wrong'. Clones fighting out among themselves is actually beneficial for Monero. Although one of them is clearly unserious and trolling by choosing the same name.
Anyway, this sudden solidarity with BCN or TFT sure is strange when none of these accounts were around for the discussions that took place 3 weeks ago. Such vested interests with no prior indications. Hmm...? "
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6599013#msg6599013
[eizh points out the apparent organized fudding]
-1061: "There was no takeover. The original developer (who himself did a fork of bytecoin and around a dozen lines of code changes) was non-responsive and had disappeared. The original name had been cybersquatted all over the place (since the original developer did not even register any domain name much less create a web site), making it impossible to even create a suitably named web site. A bunch of us who didn't want to see the coin die who represented a huge share of the hash power and ownership of the coin decided to adopt it. We reached out to the original developer to participate in this community effort and he still didn't respond over 24 hours, so we decided to act to save the coin from neglect and actively work toward building the coin."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6599798#msg6599798)
[smooth defends legitimacy of current “dev team” and decisions taken]
-1074: “Zerocash will be announced soon (May 18 in Oakland? but open source may not be ready then?).
Here is a synopsis of the tradeoffs compared to CyptoNote: […]"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6602891#msg6602891)
[comparison among Zerocash y Cryptonote]
-1083: "Altcoin history shows that except in the case of premine (Tenebrix), the first implementation stays the largest by a wide margin. We're repeating that here by outpacing Bytecoin (thanks to its 80% mine prior to surfacing). No other CN coin has anywhere near the hashrate or trading volume. Go check diff in Fantom for example or the lack of activity in BCN trading.
The only CN coin out there doing something valuable is HoneyPenny, and they're open source too. If HP develops something useful, MRO can incorporate it as well. Open source gives confidence. No need for any further edge."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6603452#msg6603452)
[eizh reminds everyone the “first mover” advantage is a real advantage]
-1132: "I decided to tidy up bitmonero GitHub rep tonight, so now there is all valuable things from latest BCN commits & Win32. Faster hash from quazarcoin is also there. So BMR rep is the freshest one.
I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6619738#msg6619738)
[first TFT apparition in weeks, he somehow pretends to still be the "lead dev"]
-1139: "This is not the github or website used by Monero. This github is outdated even with these updates. Only trust binaries from the first post."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6619971#msg6619971)
[eizh tries to clarify the community, after tft interference, which are the official downloads]
-1140: “The faster hash is from NoodleDoodle and is already submitted to the moner-project github (https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero) and included in the binaries here.
[trying to bring TFT back on board] It would be all easier if you just work together with the other guys, whats the problem? Come to irc and talk like everyone else?
[on future monero exchangers] I got confirmation from one."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6619997#msg6619997)
[8th may 2014, othe announces NoodleDoodle optimized miner is now open source, asks TFT to collaborate and communicates an exchanger is coming]
-1146: "I'll be impressed if they [BCN/TFT shills] manage to come up with an account registered before January, but then again they could buy those.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6620257#msg6620257)
[smooth]
-1150: “Ring signatures mean that when you sign a transaction to spend an output (coins), no one looking at the block chain can tell whether you signed it or one of the other outputs you choose to mix in with yours. With a mixing factor of 5 or 10 after several transactions there are millions of possible coins all mixed together. You get "anonymity" and mixing without having to use a third party mixer.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6620433#msg6620433)
[smooth answering to “what are ring signatures” in layman terms]
-1170: "Someone (C++ skilled) did private optimized miner a few days ago, he got 74H/s for i5 haswell. He pointed that mining code was very un-optimized and he did essential improvements for yourself. So, high H/S is possible yet. Can the dev's core review code for that?"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6623136#msg6623136)
[forums are talking about an individual or group of individuals with optimized miners - may 9th 2014]
-1230: "Good progress on the pool reported by NOMP dev zone117x. Stay tuned, everyone.
And remember to email your favorite exchanges about adding MRO."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6640190#msg6640190)
-1258: "This is actually as confusing to us as you. At one point, thankful_for_today said he was okay with name change: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6368600#msg6368600
Then he disappeared for more than a week after the merge mining vote failed.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6645981#msg6645981)
[eizh on the TFT-issue]
-1358: “Jadehorse: registered on 2014-03-06 and two pages of one line posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263597;sa=showPosts
Trustnobody: registered on 2014-03-06 and two pages of one line posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=264292
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=264292;sa=showPosts
You guys should really just stop trying. It is quite transparent what you are doing. Or if you want to do it, do it somewhere else. Everyone else: ignore them please."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6666844#msg6666844)
[FUD campaign still ongoing, smooth battles it]
-1387: "The world’s first exchange for Monero just opened! cryptonote.exchange.to"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6675902#msg6675902)
[David Latapie announces an important milestone: exchanger is here]
-1467: "image"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6686125#msg6686125)
[it is weird, but tft appears again, apparently as if he were in a parallel reality]
-1495: “http://monero.cc/blog/monero-price-0-002-passed/”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6691706#msg6691706)
[“trading” milestone reached: monero surpassed for first time 0.002 btc price]
-1513: "There is one and only one coin, formerly called Bitmonero, now called Monero. There was a community vote in favor (despite likely ballot stuffing against). All of the major stakeholders at the time agreed with the rename, including TFT.
The code base is still called bitmonero. There is no reason to rename it, though we certainly could have if we really wanted to.
TFT said he he is sentimental about the Bitmonero name, which I can understand, so I don't think there is any malice or harm in him continuing to use it. He just posted the nice hash rate chart on here using the old name. Obviously he understands that they are one and the same coin."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6693615#msg6693615)
[Smooth clears up again the relation with TFT and BMR. Every time he appears it seems to generate confusion on newbies]
-1543: "Pool software is in testing now. You can follow the progress on the pool bounty thread (see original post on this thread for link)."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6698097#msg6698097)
-1545: "[on the tail emission debate] I've been trying to raise awareness of this issue. The typical response seems to be, "when Bitcoin addresses the problem, so will we." To me this means it will never be addressed. The obvious solution is to perpetually increase the money supply, always rewarding miners with new coins.
Tacotime mentioned a hard fork proposal to never let the block reward drop below 1 coin:
Code: if (blockReward < 1){ blockReward = 1; }
I assume this is merely delaying the problem, however. I proposed a fixed annual debasement (say 2%) with a tx fee cap of like 0.001% of the current block reward (or whatever sounds reasonable). That way we still get the spam protection without worrying about fee escalation down the road."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6698879#msg6698879)
[Johnny Mnemonic wants to debate tail emission. Debate is moved to the “Monero Economy” thread]
-1603: “My GOD,the wallet is very very wierd and too complicated to operate, Why dont release a wallet-qt as Bitcoin?”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6707857#msg6707857)
[Newbies have hard times with monero]
-1605: "because this coin is not a bitcoin clone and so there isnt a wallet-qt to just copy and release. There is a bounty for a GUI wallet and there is already an experimental windows wallet..."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6708250#msg6708250)
-1611: "I like this about Monero, but it seems it was written by cryptographers, not programmers. The damned thing doesn't even compile on Arch, and there are several bugs, like command history not working on Linux. The crypto ideas are top-notch, but the implementation is not."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6709002#msg6709002)
[Wolf0, a miner developer, little by little joining the community]
-1888: "http://198.199.79.100 (aka moneropool.org) successfully submitted a block. Miners will be paid for their work once payments start working.
P.S. This is actually our second block today. The first was orphaned. :/"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6753836#msg6753836)
[May 16th: first pool block]
-1927: "Botnets aren't problem now. The main problem is a private hi-performance miner"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6759622#msg6759622)
-1927: "Evidence?"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6759661#msg6759661)
[smooth about the private optimized miner]
-1937: “[reference needed: smooth battling the weak evidence of optimized miner] Yes, I remember that. Some person on the Internet saying that some other unnamed person said he did something hardly constitutes evidence.
I'm not even doubting that optimized asm code could make a big difference. Just not sure how to know whether this is real or not. Rumors and FUD are rampant, so it is just hard to tell."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6760040#msg6760040)
[smooth does not take the "proof" seriously]
-1949: "image
One i5 and One e5 connected to local pool:
image"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6760624#msg6760624)
[proof of optimized miner]
-1953: "lazybear are you interested in a bounty to release the source code (maybe cleaned up a bit?) your optimized miner? If not, I'll probably play around with the code myself tomorrow and see if I can come up with something, or maybe Noodle Doodle will take an interest."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6760699#msg6760699)
[smooth tries to bring lazybear and his optimized miner on board]
-1957: "smooth, NoodleDoodle just said on IRC his latest optimizations are 4x faster on Windows. Untested on Linux so far but he'll push the source to the git repo soon. We'll be at 1 million network hashrate pretty soon."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6760814#msg6760814)
[eizh makes publics NoodleDoodle also has more miner optimizations ready]
-1985: “Someone (not me) created a Monero block explorer and announced it yesterday in a separate thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=611561.0”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6766206#msg6766206)
[May 16th, 2014: a functional block explorer]
-2018: “Noodle is doing some final tests on Windows and will begin testing on Linux. He expects hashrate should increase across all architectures. I can confirm a 5x increase on an i7 quad-core + Windows 7 64-bit.
Please be patient. These are actual changes to the program, not just a switch that gets flicked on. It needs testing.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6770093#msg6770093)
[eizh has more info on last miner optimization]
-2023: “Monero marketcap is around $300,000 as of now”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6770365#msg6770365)
-2059: I was skeptical of this conspiracy theory at first but after thinking about the numbers and looking back at the code again, I'm starting to believe it.
These are not deep optimizations, just cleaning up the code to work as intended.
At 100 H/s, with 500k iterations, 70 cycles per L3 memory access, we're now at 3.5 GHz which is reasonably close. So the algorithm is finally memory-bound, as it was originally intended to be. But as delivered by the bytecode developers not even close.
I know this is going to sound like tooting our own horn but this is another example of the kind of dirty tricks you can expect from the 80% premine crowd and the good work being done in the name of the community by the Monero developers.
Assuming they had the reasonable, and not deoptimized, implementation of the algorithm as designed all along (which is likely), the alleged "two year history" of bytecoin was mined on 4-8 PCs. It's really one of the shadiest and sleaziest premines scams yet, though this shouldn't be surprising because in every type of scam, the scams always get sneakier and more deceptive over time (the simple ones no longer work)."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6773168#msg6773168)
[smooth blowing the lid: if miner was so de-optimized, then BCN adoption was even lower than initially thought]
-2123: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6781481#msg6781481)
[fluffypony first public post in Monero threads]
-2131: "moneropool.org is up to 2KHs, (average of 26Hs per user). But that's still only 0.3% of the reported network rate of 575Khs.
So either a large botnet is mining, or someone's sitting quietly on a much more efficient miner and raking in MRO."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6782192#msg6782192)
[with pools users start to notice that “avg” users account for a very small % of the network hashrate, either botnets or a super-optimized miner is mining monero]
-2137: “I figure its either:
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6782852#msg6782852)
-2192: “New source (0.8.8.1) is up with optimizations in the hashing. Hashrate should go up ~4x or so, but may have CPU architecture dependence. Windows binaries are up as well for both 64-bit and 32-bit."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6788812#msg6788812)
[eizh makes official announce of last miner optimization, it is may 17th]
-2219: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6792038#msg6792038)
[wolf0 is part of the monero community for a while, discussing several topics as botnet mining and miner optimizations. Now spots security flaws in the just launched pools]
-2301: "5x optimized miner released, network hashrate decreases by 10% Make your own conclusions. :|"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6806946#msg6806946)
-2323: "Monero is on Poloniex https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_mro"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6808548#msg6808548)
-2747: "Monero is holding a $500 logo contest on 99designs.com now: https://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/monero-mro-cryptocurrency-logo-design-contest-382486"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6829109#msg6829109)
-2756: “So... ALL Pools have 50KH/s COMBINED.
Yet, network hash is 20x more. Am i the only one who thinks that some people are insta mining with prepared faster miners?”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6829977#msg6829977)
-2757: “Pools aren't stable yet. They are more inefficient than solo mining at the moment. They were just released. 10x optimizations have already been released since launch, I doubt there is much more optimization left.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830012#msg6830012)
-2765: “Penalty for too large block size is disastrous in the long run.
Once MRO value increases a lot, block penalties will become more critical of an issue. Pools will fix this issue by placing a limit on number and size of transactions. Transaction fees will go up, because the pools will naturally accept the most profitable transactions. It will become very expensive to send with more than 0 mixin. Anonymity benefits of ring signatures are lost, and the currency becomes unusable for normal transactions.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830475#msg6830475)
-2773: "The CryptoNote developers didn't want blocks getting very large without genuine need for it because it permits a malicious attack. So miners out of self-interest would deliberately restrict the size, forcing the network to operate at the edge of the penalty-free size limit but not exceed it. The maximum block size is a moving average so over time it would grow to accommodate organic volume increase and the issue goes away. This system is most broken when volume suddenly spikes."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830710#msg6830710)
-3035: "We've contributed a massive amount to the infrastructure of the coin so far, enough to get recognition from cryptonote, including optimizing their hashing algorithm by an order of magnitude, creating open source pool software, and pushing several commits correcting issues with the coin that eventually were merged into the ByteCoin master. We also assisted some exchange operators in helping to support the coin.
To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6845545#msg6845545)
[tacotime defends the Monero team and community of accusations of just “ripping-off” others hard-work and “steal” their project]
-3044: "image"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6845986#msg6845986)
[Monero added to coinmarketcap may 21st 2014]
-3059: "You have no idea how influential you have been to the success of this coin. You are a great ambassador for MRO and one of the reasons why I chose to mine MRO during the early days (and I still do, but alas no soup for about 5 days now)."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846509#msg6846509)
[random user thanks smooth CONSTANT presence, and collaboration. It is not all FUD ;)]
-3068: "You are a little too caught up in the mindset of altcoin marketing wars about "unique features" and "the team" behind the latest pump and dump scam.
In fact this coin is really little more than BCN without the premine. "The team" is anyone who contributes code, which includes anyone contributing code to the BCN repository, because that will get merged as well (and vice-versa).
Focus on the technology (by all accounts amazing) and the fact that it was launched in a clean way without 80% of the total world supply of the coin getting hidden away "somewhere." That is the unique proposition here. There also happens to be a very good team behind the coin, but anyone trying too hard to market on the basis of some "special" features, team, or developer is selling you something. Hold on to your wallet."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846638#msg6846638)
[An answer to those trolls saying Monero has no innovation/unique feature]
-3070: "Personally I found it refreshing that Monero took off WITHOUT a logo or a gui wallet, it means the team wasn't hyping a slick marketing package and is concentrating on the coin/note itself."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846676#msg6846676)
-3119: “image
[included for the lulz]
-3101: "[…]The main developers are tacotime, smooth, NoodleDoodle. Some needs are being contracted out, including zone117x, LucasJones, and archit for the pool, another person for a Qt GUI, and another person independently looking at the code for bugs."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6848006#msg6848006)
[the initial "core team" so far, eizh post]
-3123: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6850085#msg6850085)
[fluffy steps-in with an interesting dense post. Don’t dare to skip it, worthwhile reading]
-3127: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6850526#msg6850526)
[fluffy again, worth to read it too, so follow link, don’t be lazy]
-3194: "Hi guys - thanks to lots of hard work we have added AES-NI support to the slow_hash function. If you're using an AES-NI processor you should see a speed-up of about 30%.”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6857197#msg6857197)
[flufflypony is now pretty active in the xmr topic and announces a new optimization to the crippled miner]
-3202: "Whether using pools or not, this coin has a lot of orphaned blocks. When the original fork was done, several of us advised against 60 second blocks, but the warnings were not heeded.
I'm hopeful we can eventually make a change to more sane 2- or 2.5-minute blocks which should drastically reduce orphans, but that will require a hard fork, so not that easy."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6857796#msg6857796)
[smooth takes the opportunity to remember the need of bigger target block]
-3227: “Okay, optimized miner seems to be working: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619373”
[wolf0 makes public his open source optimized miner]
-3235: "Smooth, I agree block time needs to go back to 2 minutes or higher. I think this and other changes discussed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.msg6701490#msg6701490) should be rolled into a single hard fork and bundled with a beautiful GUI wallet and mining tools."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6861193#msg6861193)
[tail emission, block target and block size are discussed in the next few messages among smooth, johnny and others. If you want to know further about their opinions/reasonings go and read it]
-3268: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6862693#msg6862693)
[fluffy dares another user to bet 5 btc that in one year monero will be over dash in market cap. A bet that he would have lost as you can see here https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20150524/ even excluding the 2M “instamined” coins]
-3283: "Most of the previous "CPU only" coins are really scams and the developers already have GPU miner or know how to write one. There are a very few exceptions, almost certainly including this one.
I don't expect a really dominant GPU miner any time soon, maybe ever. GPUs are just computers though, so it is certainly possible to mine this on a GPU, and there probably will be a some GPU miner, but won't be so much faster as to put small scale CPU miners out of business (probably -- absent some unknown algorithmic flaw).
Everyone focuses on botnets because it has been so long since regular users were able to effectively mine a coin (due to every coin rapidly going high end GPU and ASIC) that the idea that "users" could vastly outnumber "miners" (botnet or otherwise) isn't even on the radar.
The vision here is a wallet that asks you when you want to install: "Do you want to devote some of you CPU power to help secure the network. You will be eligible to receive free coins as a reward (recommended) [check box]." Get millions of users doing that and it will drive down the value of mining to where neither botnets nor professional/industrial miners will bother, and Satoshi's original vision of a true p2p currency will be realized.
That's what cryptonote wants to accomplish with this whole "egalitarian mining" concept. Whether it succeeds I don't know but we should give it a chance. Those cryptonote guys seem pretty smart. They've probably thought this through better than any of us have."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6863720#msg6863720)
[smooth vision of a true p2p currency]
-3318: "I have a screen shot that was PMed to me by someone who paid a lot of money for a lot of servers to mine this coin. He won't be outed by me ever but he does in fact exist. Truth."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6865061#msg6865061)
[smooth somehow implies it is not botnets but an individual or a group of them renting huge cloud instances]
-3442: "I'm happy to report we've successfully cracked Darkcoin's network with our new quantum computers that just arrived from BFL, a mere two weeks after we ordered them."
[fluffy-troll]
-3481: “Their slogan is, "Orphaned Blocks, Bloated Blockchain, that's how we do""
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6878244#msg6878244)
[Major FUD troll in the topic. One of the hardest I’ve ever seen]
-3571: "Tacotime wanted the thread name and OP to use the word privacy instead of anonymity, but I made the change for marketing reasons. Other coins do use the word anonymous improperly, so we too have to play the marketing game. Most users will not bother looking at details to see which actually has more privacy; they'll assume anonymity > privacy. In a world with finite population, there's no such thing as anonymity. You're always "1 of N" possible participants.
Zero knowledge gives N -> everyone using the currency, ring signatures give N -> your choice, and CoinJoin gives N -> people who happen to be spending around the same amount of money as you at around the same time. This is actually the critical weakness of CoinJoin: the anonymity set is small and it's fairly susceptible to blockchain analysis. Its main advantage is that you can stick to Bitcoin without hard forking.
Another calculated marketing decision: I made most of the OP about ring signatures. In reality, stealth addressing (i.e. one-time public keys) already provides you with 90% of the privacy you need. Ring signatures are more of a trump card that cannot be broken. But Bitcoin already has manual stealth addressing so the distinguishing technological factor in CryptoNote is the use of ring signatures.
This is why I think having a coin based on CoinJoin is silly: Bitcoin already has some privacy if you care enough. A separate currency needs to go way beyond mediocre privacy improvements and provide true indistinguishably. This is true thanks to ring signatures: you can never break the 1/N probability of guessing correctly. There's no additional circumstantial evidence like with CoinJoin (save for IP addresses, but that's a problem independent of cryptocurrencies)."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6883525#msg6883525)
[Anonymity discussions, specially comparing Monero with Darkcoin and its coinjoin-based solution, keep going on]
-3593: "Transaction fees should be a fixed percentage of the block reward, or at the very least not be controllable by the payer. If payers can optionally pay more then it opens the door for miner discrimination and tx fee bidding wars."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6886770#msg6886770)
[Johnny Mnemonic is a firm defender of fixed fees and tail emission: he see the “fee market” as big danger to the usability of cryptocurrencies]
-3986: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6930412#msg6930412)
[partnership with i2p]
-4373: “Way, way faster version of cpuminer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619373”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6993812#msg6993812)
[super-optimized miner is finally leaked to the public. Now the hashrate is 100 times bigger than originally with crippled miner. The next hedge for "cloud farmers" is GPU mining]
-4877: “1. We have a logo! If you use Monero in any of your projects, you can grab a branding pack here. You can also see it in all its glory right here:
logo […] 4. In order to maintain ISO 4217 compliance, we are changing our ticker symbol from MRO to XMR effective immediately."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7098497#msg7098497)
[Jun 2nd 2014]
-5079: “First GPU miner: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638915.0”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7130160#msg7130160)
[4th June: Claymore has developed the first CryptoNight open source and publicly available GPU miner]
-5454: "New update to my miner - up to 25% hash increase. Comment and tell me how much of an increase you got from it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632724"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7198061#msg7198061)
[miner optimization is an endless task]
-5464: "I have posted a proposal for fixed subsidy:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.msg7202538#msg7202538"
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7202776#msg7202776)
[Nice charts and discussion proposed by tacotime, worth reading it]
-5658: "- New seed nodes added. - Electrum-style deterministic wallets have been added to help in the recovery of your wallet should you ever need to. It is enabled by default."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7234475#msg7234475)
[Now you can recover your wallet with a 24 word seed]
-5726: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7240623#msg7240623)
[Bitcoin Pizza in monero version: a 2500 XMR picture sale (today worth ~$20k)]
-6905: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7386715#msg7386715)
[Monero missives: CryptoNote peer review starts whitepaper reviewed)]
-7328: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7438333#msg7438333)
[android monero widget built]
This is a dense digest of the first several thousand messages on the definitive Monero thread.
A lot of things happened in this stressful days and most are recorded here. It can be summarized in this:
  • 28th April: Othe and zone117x assume the GUI wallet and CN pools tasks.
  • 30th April: First NoodleDoodle's miner optimization.
  • 11th May: First Monero exchanger
  • 13th May: Open source pool code is ready.
  • 16th May: First pool mined block.
  • 19th May: Monero in poloniex
  • 20th May: Monero +1100 bitcoin 24h trading volume in Poloniex.
  • 21st May: New official miner optimization x4 speed (accumulated optimization x12-x16). Open source wolf0's CPU miner released.
  • 25th May: partnership with i2p
  • 28th May: The legendary super-optimized miner is leaked. Currently running x90 original speed. Hedge of the "cloud farmers" is over in the cpu mining.
  • 2nd June: Monero at last has a logo. Ticker symbol changes to the definitive XMR (former MRO)
  • 4th June: Claymore's open source GPU miner.
  • 10th June: Monero's "10,000 bitcoin pizza" (2500 XMR paintig). Deterministic seed-based wallets (recover wallet with a 24 word seed)
  • March 2015 – tail emission added to code
  • March 2016 – monero hard forks to 2 min block and doubles block reward
There basically two things in here that can be used to attack Monero:
  • Crippled miner Gave unfair advantage to those brave enough to risk money and time to optimize and mine Monero.
  • Fast curve emission non-bitcoin-like curve as initially advertised and as it was widely accepted as suitable
Though we have to say two things to support current Monero community and devs:
  • The crippled miner was coded either by Bytecoin or CryptoNote, and 100% solved within a month by Monero community
  • The fast curve emission was a TFT miscalculation. He forgot to consider that as he was halving the block target he was unintentionally doubling the emission rate.
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PART 1: Summary (transcript) of Wednesday's AMA given by the Particl Team - Thank you to all who participated!

Below is a summary (PART 1) of our AMA held Wednesday, 2017.06.28. Thank you for everyone who participated!
Please refer to /Particl/wiki/faq for our maintained collection of questions. We ask you make sure your question hasn't already been answered before submitting. Thank you.

QUESTIONS:

Where are we as far as the mainnet release?

we are waiting for Particl foundation to be approved. Paperwork is in Swiss regulator's hands and we're waiting for them to approve so they can oversee us create PART tokens and distribute PART tokens

Did they say anything as far as when they will approve like an approximate date or just when they get to it?

once foundation is formed we'll use a couple days to do final prep for mainnet setup and then release the clients, source and tokens

and you guys are 100% sure they will approve and is just a matter or time?? Are you guys sure of the Swiss foundation approval, that they will approve?

our legal counsel is Swiss based and have been through this process before so we're trusting they have all the right docs to get the job done. We were only told it takes 2 weeks to receive the answer once they have paperwork

Since Micah seems not to be present, is he still part of the team?

micah is still a member of the team as an adviser. he has and will continue to contribute to the Particl project. On top of that, his fiance just said yes, so he's pretty busy

Can I ask how much did you guys raise and currently holdings you have (mainly asking if you have enough for years to come) ?

the team has raised 591 btc and roughly 250k particl. this will last the team for an expected 9 months, which is more than what we need to come up with a working marketplace. there will be a 2nd crowdfunding early next year and we will be expecting particl to be self funding after that.

What is particl

to put it simply, Particl will be an anonymous, crypto-agnostic marketplace. this will be a self-governed decentralized system

Hey Particl team, can you comment on whether or not the fact that it's taking the Swiss Regulator so long to approve has anything to do with any problems that have surfaced, and if so, what those problems are, or is it typical for it to take this long?

I know Zug is getting bombarded with cryptocurrency startups.

Hi there team at Particl, will the GUI be released alongside mainnet?

we have started testing the GUI internally. There will be a testnet with the GUI prior to mainnet

Who do you see as your biggest competitor in blockchain and in traditional sense of the way atm?

there have been markets around for a while. We are focusing on anonymity and decentralized governance.
Particl in it's current state is a privacy platform, so we would be in competition with privacy coins. We are testing Confidential Transactions and RingCT on our TESTNET3 atm. Monero is the only other currency using RingCT and only a view others are using CT. Particl is the first to use this tech on Bitcoin codebase. We also have a decentralized voting mechanism so projects like Decred who are excelling at governance are projects we would also be similar too.
Once our market is out we'd have competition from other decentralized marketplaces like bitbay, OpenBazaar, Syscoin's blockmarket and a couple ethereum projects in early phases of development. We'd also be competing against ecommerce sites on clearnet that are strictly centralized models.
The cool thing with the market is it'll be crypto-agnostic so no crypto would be competition. OB also will offer a crypto-agnostic market and I don't recall if Syscoin's does at this time.

So if it's crypto agnostic where does the value of PART come from?

what's good about particl is that buyers can pay in whatever coin they want, provided it's available in shapeshift. it will automatically be converted to particl. it will be the receiver's choice to sell, hold or stake particl

When can we expect a working beta of the marketplace? Is the team focused on developing a mobile app version that can do staking on a mobile platform as well?

In terms of our timeline, we anticpate the beta to be out mid October, that's without the reputation system.
we intend to have the reputation system in place towards the end of October, at the same time we will have the protocols and codebase audited

Long time supporter for Shadowcash/Particl since the early days. The biggest gripe I have with the transparency and delays between the team and the community/supporters/investors. This has stemmed from the Shadowcash days - do you have any plans to change the way you address any delays? NB. Nothing against your team, I love the work produced - as a long term supporter I would like to see a company take a more proactive approach to issues that have stemmed in the past and not release hype/release dates until 100% certain.

as you can probably see on twitter, blogs, 3rd party media etc, we are actively informing the community about the status of particl. good or bad. you can see this on https://particl.news

Can you explain your exchange mechanism somewhat? What exactly takes place in the background? Explain the client server side of that token being exchanged to the customer receiving that different coin

what we want for particl marketplace to be is a seamless system where buyer doesn't even know he's buying particl to transact. this will be beneficial to normal users who are not familiar with crypto

Any plans to integrate fiat gateway? I don´t see how particl can go mainstream without this feature!

yes there is a plan. there are ideas but not limited to coordinating with companies like changelly, so buyers can use credit cards. but priority is still the marketplace

will Particl team implant feature similiar to delegatation (dPoS) in order for small staker to vote on propsoal without setting a node? I quite like the delegate feature in ARK. Will Particl team implant feature similiar to delegatation (dPoS) in order for small staker to vote for their delegate on propsoal without setting a node?

currently there is no plan on changing the PoS structure. I agree dPoS has their upsides, but for the product that particl is setting up, PoS is the perfect choice currenctly

Hi there, long-term supporter. I bought SDC back in February of 2015 and have been following the project closely the whole time. One thing I have a problem with is that you have announced the marketplace launch a number of times. For the first half of 2015 you continually said that it would be ready by the end of the year, then the same message was communicated in 2016. The constant missed deadlines have caused me concern, and now I'm still not sure what to believe about the market launch. So why now should we believe in the October date?

back then we barely had a functioning team. In 2015 the SDC team pretty much fell apart. Funding dried up and there was no real teamwork.. People work working on what they wanted to work on, and there were constantly issues arising that would take priority over the MP. Particl has a team now, as well as funding, a project manager, and we are busy growing.
there have been governance issues that have arisen that have delayed the project but now there is a dedicated team of 15 people of which 10 are working full time

How will you approach sellers to use particl market?

there are a lot of upsides for sellers to use particl market. less paper works, tax breaks (depending on location), more security for seller, not to mention cheaper. we will approach them on more than 1 way. 1 st priority however will be existing crypto sellers

what do you mean with "existing crypto sellers" as your 1st priority?

sorry, let me clarify. currently, there are a lot of existing sellers who are also sellers on amazon/ebay etc, also people capitalizing on selling crypto merchandize, these will be our initial users and we'll work on that growth

thanks for clarifying, that makes sense. Will there be any mechanisms in place to ensure that no illegal products are sold?

yes, we will put in a governance model where stakers can vote whether they are ok with putting a product in. as there are grey areas for products, this will be based on votes

Will you guys release with ringCT due October?

ringCT is currently in testnet 3

Will the marketplace allow the ability to create a private market that would require either registration or invitation?

will users be able to create a 'private market' or is everything 100% public? Yes there will be support for Private Markets

thanks! Has this feature been fully fleshed-out in terms of development? Like will there be an integrated invitation system or ability to create user credential authentication information? And also, will the private market be subject to its own separate governance?

conceptually it is not much different to the public market other than the key to access the private channel is a secret and shared by the creator with those he wishes to invite .. there will be no governance on the private market as its impossible to govern something you cannot access
particl platform itself is a private marketplace. no one will be able to know what anyone buys/sells, thanks to the CT, RingCT features and encrypted msgs

so the answer is no? People won't be able to create sub-markets within the main marketplace? like with authentication restriction

yes

What will be the main differences between the Part wallet and the old Umbra?

Particl is being built on the bitcoin core 0.14 codebase. We are building the GUI from the ground up, using Angular (2), and electron. Umbra used QtWebkit, and native html5 + jquery. The UI is new, as well as a way healthier backend inherited from bitcoin core
The main difference is codebase. Umbra was built on bitcoin .08. Particl is built on bitcoin .14. So we'll have native segwit, malleability fixes, increased security, bip65, lightning network readiness.
The privacy is increased as well. Umbra used ring-sigs and Particl is using Confidential Transactions and is testing RingCT.

Is Crz here with a different username? if not can you guys tell us how the GUI of Part is going? What is he working on now?

here is a link to their GitHub, you can see the progress: https://github.com/particl/partgui
crz is working on the GUI wireframes still, as well as the new website design. He will be helping out with the GUI as soon as he is finished with his current tasks, to give it some polish

Will their be a 3rd party Audit for RingCT feature before forking it, and do you have an idea how much time this audit could take?

Yes, definitely. It was one of our funding milestones and it'll be around 3 months to audit and correct major bugs. TESTNET3 currently has RingCT on it but we'll probably remove it for TESTNET4 because it's so raw and we're focusing on mainnet.

When's Particl expected to reach exchanges?

we are in ongoing conversations with majority of the exchanges, in an ideal scenario we would be listed on launch date, this is a work in progress and has been given priority by team
we are waiting for foundation to be finalized first before we can release the mainnet, then exchange. same as other coins, it has to be the exchange's discretion when to add a coin, but we have already communicated with numerous exchanges to list this, and we are seeing positive replies

Do you guys have an idea of when the new website will be released? which Domain will it be Particle.io still or what?

We’re working on it right now. It’ll be https://particl.io

In June 1st - blog update - you told us there was 3 new faces who joined to the team. Can you reveal who they are? What's their background?

Our new members are:

Will mainet be released with implemented ringct?

Original mainnet (this first one) won't have ringct. We'll need to audit the code first jeffjam so it'll be on testnet for a while before going live. we haven't contracted any party yet to do this. I'd imagine a 3 month window to audit is to be expected jeffjam Will mainet be released with implemented ringct?

It seems the business side of particl (picking up more clients, instead of customers to use the service) is moving faster then the developers. Any explanation on this?

by saying clients, do you mean contributors? if so, this is exactly what we expect, as this indicates speculations. same with other successful projects
our dev team is working full steam ahead and making sure we are testing properly. We are in the final stages of the GUI development. The Blockchain and daemon are working and in public testing.

So do you blame the advertising side of particl, for these announcements, or does the finger point mostly toward the developers for not meeting there timeline? What is causing the team to not work insync (as one) What improvements or changes have been made in this area?

i think it's a product of the fast paced crypto ecosystem. when people's money is on the line, deadlines and firm dates are expected and we want to be as transparent as possible so we try to accomadate, but roadbumps happen and deadlines sometimes get pushed
there certainly are challenges we are expecting like any other team/company, but we believe we are working better than an average team. now that the team is well funded, we can expect faster project and more deadlines to be met. as a matter of fact, the team has already contributed more that 100k lines on github
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Log of AMA with particl

boldninja
Let's all give a warm welcome to Particl.io team members - @umbrah, @dasource, @litebit, @rynomster, @imyb, @ludx, @synergy - you can start asking them questions. You know the drill - wait till they respond (not more than 3 questions of backlog) so they can catch up. (edited)
umbrah Thanks @boldninja , we're ready to answer questions anytime :slightly_smiling_face:
rynomster thanks @boldninja, thanks Ark for having us
macdac Hey guys, so Ill be the first to ask, where are we as far as the mainnet release?
litebit macdac: we are waiting for Particl foundation to be approved. Paperwork is in Swiss regulator's hands and we're waiting for them to approve so they can oversee us create PART tokens and distribute PART tokens
jeffjam Since Micah seems not to be present, is he still part of the team?
litebit jeffjam: micah is still a member of the team as an advisor. he has and will continue to contribute to the Particl project. On top of that, his fiance just said yes, so he's pretty busy :slightly_smiling_face:
litebit is it ok to answer in threads @boldninja or do we usually just do a long string?
tranzer welcome Particl - just learning about you guys looks promising and interesting concept. Can I ask how much did you guys raise and currentl holdings you have (mainly asking if you have enough for years to come) ?
litebit @macdac we are waiting for Particl foundation to be approved. Paperwork is in Swiss regulator's hands and we're waiting for them to approve so they can oversee us create PART tokens and distribute PART tokens
umbrah @jeffjam micah is still a member of the team as an advisor. he has and will continue to contribute to the Particl project. On top of that, his fiance just said yes, so he's pretty busy :slightly_smiling_face:
macdac @litebit, did they say anything as far as when they will approve like an approximate date or just when they get to it?
litebit macdac: once foundation is formed we'll use a couple days to do final prep for mainnet setup and then release the clients, source and tokens
litebit @macdac once foundation is formed we'll use a couple days to do final prep for mainnet setup and then release the clients, source and tokens
ryano What is particl
litebit ryano: to put it simply, Particl will be an anonymous, crypto-agnostic marketplace. this will be a self-governed decentralized system
commodore64 Hey Particl team, can you comment on whether or not the fact that it's taking the Swiss Regulator so long to approve has anything to do with any problems that have surfaced, and if so, what those problems are, or is it typical for it to take this long?
litebit commodore64: I know Zug is getting bombarded with cryptocurrency startups.
zedsix Hi there team at Particl, will the GUI be released alongside mainnet?
litebit zedsix: we have started testing the GUI internally. There will be a testnet with the GUI prior to mainnet
macdac @litebit, and you guys are 100% sure they will approve and is just a matter or time??
umbrah @ryano to put it simply, Particl will be an anonymous, crypto-agnostic marketplace. this will be a self-governed decentralized system
tranzer Who do you see as your biggest competitior in blockchain and in traditional sense of the way atm?
mgaruccio So if it's crypto agnostic where does the value of PART come from?
litebit mgaruccio: what's good about particl is that buyers can pay in whatever coin they want, provided it's available in shapeshift. it will automatically be converted to particl. it will be the receiver's choice to sell, hold or stake particl
mr_robot @rynomster When can we expect a working beta of the marketplace? Is the team focused on developing a mobile app version that can do staking on a mobile platform as well?
rynomster @zedsix, we have started testing the GUI internally. There will be a testnet with the GUI prior to mainnet
jarunik Why should i use it and how will you ensure a vivid marketplace?
macdac Are you guys sure of the Swiss foundation approval, that they will approve?
umbrah @mgaruccio what's good about particl is that buyers can pay in whatever coin they want, provided it's available in shapeshift. it will automatically be converted to particl. it will be the receiver's choice to sell, hold or stake particl
litebit @commodore64 I know Zug is getting bombarded with cryptocurrency startups.
zedsix Long time supporter for Shadowcash/Particl since the early days. The biggest gripe I have with the transparency and delays between the team and the community/supporters/investors. This has stemmed from the Shadowcash days - do you have any plans to change the way you address any delays? NB. Nothing against your team, I love the work produced - as a long term supporter I would like to see a company take a more proactive approach to issues that have stemmed in the past and not release hype/release dates until 100% certain.
rynomster @mr_robot, In terms of our timeline, we anticpate the beta to be out mid October, that's without the reputation system.
michaelthecryptoguy Can you explain your exchange mechanism somewhat? What exactly takes place in the background? Explain the client server side of that token being exchanged to the customer receiving that different coin :coinspin:
sacode Any plans to integrate fiat gateway? I don´t see how particl can go mainstream without this feature!
b.b.2k17 will Particl team implant feature similiar to delegatation (dPoS) in order for small staker to vote on propsoal without setting a node?
umbrah @zedsix as you can probably see on twitter, blogs, 3rd party media etc, we are actively informing the community about the status of particl. good or bad. you can see this on particl.news
litebit @macdac our legal counsel is Swiss based and have been through this process before so we're trusting they have all the right docs to get the job done. We were only told it takes 2 weeks to receive the answer once they have paperwork
rynomster @mr_robot, we intend to have the reputation system in place towards the end of October, at the same time we will have the protocols and codebase audited
umbrah @sacode
commodore64 @rynomster Hi there, long-term supporter. I bought SDC back in February of 2015 and have been following the project closely the whole time. One thing I have a problem with is that you have announced the marketplace launch a number of times. For the first half of 2015 you continually said that it would be ready by the end of the year, then the same message was communicated in 2016. The constant missed deadlines have caused me concern, and now I'm still not sure what to believe about the market launch.
So why now should we believe in the October date?
umbrah @sacode yes there is a plan. there are ideas but not limited to coordinating with companies like changelly, so buyers can use credit cards. but priority is still the marketplace
zedsix ^ That's currently how I feel, everytime we receive a release date it never happens - it gets concerning when a company keeps doing this and doesn't learn from the previous time it occurs that you shouldn't release a release date if you're not 100% certain that you'll meet the timeline, @umbrah - the announcements posted on social media primarily are related to delays. I won't go into detail - we'll leave it there. (edited)
rynomster @commodore64, back then we barely had a functioning team. In 2015 the SDC team pretty much fell apart. Funding dried up and there was no real teamwork.. People work working on what they wanted to work on, and there were constantly issues arising that would take priority over the MP. Particl has a team now, as well as funding, a project manager, and we are busy growing. (edited)
sacode How will you approach sellers to use particl market?
tranzer Posting questions again : Can I ask how much did you guys raise and currentl holdings you have (mainly asking if you have enough for years to come) ? Who do you see as your biggest competitior in blockchain and in traditional sense of the way atm?
macdac Will you guys release with ringCT due October?
rynomster @macdac, ringCT is currently in testnet 3
b.b.2k17 I quite like the delegate feature in ARK. Will Particl team implant feature similiar to delegatation (dPoS) in order for small staker to vote for their delegate on propsoal without setting a node?
umbrah @sacode there are a lot of upsides for sellers to use particl market. less paper works, tax breaks (depending on location), more security for seller, not to mention cheaper. we will approach them on more than 1 way. 1 st priority however will be existing crypto sellers
commodore64 @rynomster thank you.
throwplastic @umbrah what do you mean with "existing crypto sellers" as your 1st priority?
umbrah @b.b.2k17 currently there is no plan on changing the PoS structure. I agree dPoS has their upsides, but for the product that particl is setting up, PoS is the perfect choice currenctly
synergy @commodore64 there have been governance issues that have arisen that have delayed the project but now there is a dedicated team of 15 people of which 10 are working full time
commodore64 Another question for the particl team: Will the marketplace allow the ability to create a private market that would require either registration or invitation?
mr_robot Was this answered? I'm also curious on the details of how this works michaelthecryptoguy Can you explain your exchange mechanism somewhat? What exactly takes place in the background? Explain the client server side of that token being exchanged to the customer receiving that different coin :coinspin: Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:09 PM
macdac What will be the main differences between the Part wallet and the old Umbra?
umbrah @throwplastic sorry, let me clarify. currently, there are a lot of existing sellers who are also sellers on amazon/ebay etc, also people capitalizing on selling crypto merchandize, these will be our initial users and we'll work on that growth
b.b.2k17 (dont forget slack has reply to thread feature, easier to follow the questions and answer)
rynomster @macdac, Particl is being built on the bitcoin core 0.14 codebase. We are building the GUI from the ground up, using Angular (2), and electron. Umbra used QtWebkit, and native html5 + jquery. The UI is new, as well as a way healthier backend inherited from bitcoin core
macdac Is Crz here with a different username? if not can you guys tell us how the GUI of Part is going? What is he working on now?
b.b.2k17 macdac: here is a link to their GitHub, you can see the progress: https://github.com/particl/partgui
sherp Also curious about this tranzer Posting questions again : Can I ask how much did you guys raise and currentl holdings you have (mainly asking if you have enough for years to come) ? Who do you see as your biggest competitior in blockchain and in traditional sense of the way atm? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:15 PM
litebit Particl in it's current state is a privacy platform, so we would be in competition with privacy coins. We are testing Confidential Transactions and RingCT on our TESTNET3 atm. Monero is the only other currency using RingCT and only a view others are using CT. Particl is the first to use this tech on Bitcoin codebase. We also have a decentralized voting mechanism so projects like Decred who are excelling at governance are projects we would also be similar too.
Once our market is out we'd have competition from other decentralized marketplaces like bitbay, OpenBazaar, Syscoin's blockmarket and a couple ethereum projects in early phases of development. We'd also be competing against ecommerce sites on clearnet that are strictly centralized models.
The cool thing with the market is it'll be crypto-agnostic so no crypto would be competition. OB also will offer a crypto-agnostic market and I don't recall if Syscoin's does at this time. tranzer Who do you see as your biggest competitior in blockchain and in traditional sense of the way atm? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:06 PM
umbrah @mr_robot what we want for particl marketplace to be is a seamless system where buyer doesn't even know he's buying particl to transact. this will be beneficial to normal users who are not familiar with crypto
b.b.2k17 macdac: here is a link to their GitHub, you can see the progress: https://github.com/particl/partgui GitHub particl/partgui partgui - Particl Angular GUI - The source for the Particl GUI.
rynomster @macdac, crz is working on the GUI wireframes still, as well as the new website design. He will be helping out with the GUI as soon as he is finished with his current tasks, to give it some polish (edited)
throwplastic @umbrah thanks for clarifying, that makes sense. Will there be any mechanisms in place to ensure that no illegal products are sold?
umbrah @tranzer currently there is openbazaar (OB), but we believe we will have more features like anonymity, staking and others.
trixter- Particl team: Will their be a 3rd party Audit for RingCT feature before forking it, and do you have an idea how much time this audit could take?
zedsix When's Particl expected to reach exchanges?
michaelthecryptoguy Can you explain your exchange mechanism somewhat? What exactly takes place in the background? Explain the client server side of that token being exchanged to the customer receiving that different coin :coinspin: Does this take place with shapeshift?
macdac Cool, thanks for all the answers guys, Do you guys have an idea of when the new website will be released? which Domain will it be Particle.io still or what?
sacode In June 1st - blog update - you told us there was 3 new faces who joined to the team. Can you reveal who they are? What's their background?
umbrah @throwplastic yes, we will put in a governance model where stakers can vote whether they are ok with putting a product in. as there are grey areas for products, this will be based on votes
litebit The main difference is codebase. Umbra was built on bitcoin .08. Particl is built on bitcoin .14. So we'll have native segwit, malleability fixes, increased security, bip65, lightning network readiness.
The privacy is increased as well. Umbra used ring-sigs and Particl is using Confidential Transactions and is testing RingCT. macdac What will be the main differences between the Part wallet and the old Umbra? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:18 PM
@umbrah can speak to this, we're catching up sorry :slightly_smiling_face: sherp Also curious about this Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:21 PM
mr_robot How does the governance feature work and what's stopping people from making multiple accounts to collude on voting? Is it based on the reputation or staking? (edited)
umbrah @tranzer the team has raised 591 btc and roughly 250k particl. this will last the team for an expected 9 months, which is more than what we need to come up with a working marketplace. there will be a 2nd crowdfunding early next year and we will be expecting particl to be self funding after that.
jeffjam Will mainet be released with implemented ringct?
litebit Yes, definitely. It was one of our funding milestones and it'll be around 3 months to audit and correct major bugs. TESTNET3 currently has RingCT on it but we'll probably remove it for TESTNET4 because it's so raw and we're focusing on mainnet. trixter- Particl team: Will their be a 3rd party Audit for RingCT feature before forking it, and do you have an idea how much time this audit could take? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:22 PM
trixter- @litebit thanks
michaelthecryptoguy It seems the business side of particl (picking up more clients, instead of customers to use the service) is moving faster then the developers. Any explanation on this?
litebit michaelthecryptoguy: our dev team is working full steam ahead and making sure we are testing properly. We are in the final stages of the GUI development. The Blockchain and daemon are working and in public testing.
litebit by saying clients, do you mean contributors? if so, this is exactly what we expect, as this indicates speculations. same with other successful projects
umbrah @michaelthecryptoguy by saying clients, do you mean contributors? if so, this is exactly what we expect, as this indicates speculations. same with other successful projects
zedsix When's Particl expected to reach exchanges?
litebit zedsix: we are in ongoing conversations with majority of the exchanges, in an ideal scenario we would be listed on launch date, this is a work in progress and has been given priority by team
rynomster @michaelthecryptoguy, our dev team is working full steam ahead and making sure we are testing properly. We are in the final stages of the GUI development. The Blockchain and daemon are working and in public testing.
macdac Are you guys concerned of the competition? like Bitbay and others that have or plan to release a market
litebit macdac: there have been markets around for a while. We are focusing on anonymity and decentralised governance.
imyb @zedsix we are in ongoing conversations with majority of the exchanges, in an ideal scenario we would be listed on launch date, this is a work in progress and has been given priority by team
umbrah @zedsix we are waiting for foundation to be finalized first before we can release the mainnet, then exchange. same as other coins, it has to be the exchange's discretion when to add a coin, but we have already communicated with numerous exchanges to list this, and we are seeing positive replies
sdcpod How far are you with the Gui ? Will it be in Testnet 4 and if yes when is testnet 4 ?
zedsix Thanks @umbrah / @imyb
umbrah :slightly_smiling_face:
sacode There will be a marketplace app on app store or google play? If so, when?
rynomster @macdac, there have been markets around for a while. We are focusing on anonymity and decentralised governance.
molefish Will there be a way to run the wallet at launch on Mac OS X?
litebit Original mainnet (this first one) won't have ringct. We'll need to audit the code first jeffjam so it'll be on testnet for a while before going live. we haven't contracted any party yet to do this. I'd imagine a 3 month window to audit is to be expected jeffjam Will mainet be released with implemented ringct? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:25 PM
michaelthecryptoguy So do you blame the advertising side of particl, for these announcements, or does the finger point mostly toward the developers for not meeting there timeline?
litebit Any mobile version of the marketplace will come after the second funding round. This first seed round is to get the MVP to market. Greater enhancements will come with additional funding and larger focused teams. sacode There will be a marketplace app on app store or google play? If so, when? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:32 PM
Yes. molefish Will there be a way to run the wallet at launch on Mac OS X? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:32 PM
rynomster @sdcpod, right now we are working towards getting the GUI ready for public testing. Based on our estimates we will have some GUI elements ready for testing next week.
michaelthecryptoguy What is causing the team to not work insync (as one) What improvements or changes have been made in this area?
throwplastic Will there be a browser-based market or do users always have to use a dedicated particl software to make purchases?
dasource throwplastic: Particl wallet will work both in browser and as an application .. to ensure privacy you require your own particld daemon running within the same network. Whilst it is possible for it to work with external/shared daemons that is not part of the current scope to effects it has on ones privacy
sdcpod What you mean with "some elements" you mean the gui like back in sdc but like say without widgets ?
rynomster @sdcpod, there will be basic functionality, but it won't be complete as its still in development.
michaelthecryptoguy Who do you see as your main customer base? Average people that use or work with Crypto Currencies?
litebit @michaelthecryptoguy i think it's a product of the fast paced crypto ecosystem. when people's money is on the line, deadlines and firm dates are expected and we want to be as transparent as possible so we try to accomadate, but roadbumps happen and deadlines sometimes get pushed
trixter- Particl Team: Will TOR, I2P be integrated in the wallet on release?
dasource trixter-: TOR - yes I2P - no
mike where can we buy Particl now?
umbrah @michaelthecryptoguy there certainly are challenges we are expecting like any other team/company, but we believe we are working better than an average team. now that the team is well funded, we can expect fster project and more deadlines to be met. as a matter of fact, the team has already contributed more thatn 100k lines on github
commodore64 I'll ask this question again: will users be able to create a 'private market' or is everything 100% public?
dasource commodore64: Yes there will be support for Private Markets
commodore64 @dasource thanks! Has this feature been fully fleshed-out in terms of development? Like will there be an integrated invitation system or ability to create user credential authentication information? And also, will the private market be subject to its own separate governance?
dasource conceptually it is not much different to the public market other than the key to access the private channel is a secret and shared by the creator with those he wishes to invite .. there will be no governance on the private market as its impossible to govern something you cannot access
imyb @mike you will need to wait until PART hits the exchanges
litebit To start it'll be trend setters so crypto users. Big picture we'll be reaching out to vendors, sellers and buyers in countries that don't have access to the ease of amazon or ebay due to political positioning and restrictions on where they live. That's the big goal of the market michaelthecryptoguy Who do you see as your main customer base? Average people that use or work with Crypto Currencies? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:36 PM
umbrah @commodore64 particl platform itself is a private marketplace. no one will be able to know what anyone buys/sells, thanks to the CT, RingCT features and encrypted msgs
mike does Particl have a wallet available for OTC exchanges?
macdac Will you guys make a video showcasing the wallet GUI soon?
litebit The wallet will be on testnet soon so people can be hands on with it :slightly_smiling_face: much better than video macdac Will you guys make a video showcasing the wallet GUI soon? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:40 PM
commodore64 @umbrah so the answer is no? People won't be able to create sub-markets within the main marketplace?
sacode May i set my favorite currency and language to navigate on marketplace?
umbrah @mike particl will have a very user-friendly wallet :slightly_smiling_face:
commodore64 like with authentication restriction
litebit CHANNEL: is this method of question answering helping or hurting? it seems a mess and hard to keep up. we want to make sure everyone is being heard. Could we answer using threads instead?
umbrah @commodore64 that is a feature-based question. i'll ask one of my colleagues to answer that
mr_robot Threads would make more sense it seems
umbrah @commodore64 dasourced has answered your question in threads. and the answer is yes :slightly_smiling_face:
rynomster Our new members are: Imran, our Commercial and Partner Strategy Pierre-Alexis Ciavaldini, Talented developer * experienced in C, AngularJS, Web development Jason Eybers, Junior developer * he is still studying, but he is adding valuable things like unit tests, linting, and little things that the seniors aren't currently focused on. sacode In June 1st - blog update - you told us there was 3 new faces who joined to the team. Can you reveal who they are? What's their background? Posted in #trading_altcoinsToday at 6:23 PM
michaelthecryptoguy How do you overcome a vendor that is brand new to Crypto Currencies, that can't pay for his supplies or merchandise in crypto? Will you be working directly with any banks? (edited)
umbrah michaelthecryptoguy: working with banks would not be a good strategy. as of the moment, we will make particl marketplace to be a decentralized marketplace free from paperwork etc.
imyb michaelthecryptoguy: we are in discussions with partners who should be able to provide us with the facility to entertain these types of transactions
sacode The fact that you guys met in Hong Kong in the past, has something to do with the possibility of establishing contacts in the Chinese market? (edited)
umbrah sacode: yes :slightly_smiling_face:
litebit sacode: Establishing a prescence in China is a major reason for this Particl pivot
mr_robot Private sub markets... What would prevent that developing into unfavorable things that would bypass the community governance voting?
dasource mr_robot: Private markets are precisely that, no governance.
throwplastic But there is a way of voting certain products out by stakers from what I've gathered?
litebit Private markets are just that private, who is in there, what is happening, what is selling is all private. the network is unable to tell what is going on. similar to how signal or whatsapp encrypts on client side
commodore64 @litebit @dasource what if someone gains access to a private market and it's determined that there are undesirable products being sold in there and they take some screenshots and post it up online like in reddit or bitcoin talk or something? Is there a governance model overseeing the private markets at all?
dasource There will be no governance on private markets .. it is impossible todo.
commodore64 @dasource @rynmos
commodore64 @dasource @rynomster rynomster indicated in the main thread here that 'the network will only be supported while it is being run cleanly'. is this concern not relevant within private markets?
litebit the only way to "gain access" is for 1 or both parties to "give access" by posting these images themselves. otherwise everything is encrypted with industry standard cryptography
commodore64 like why is it relevant within the main marketplace but not within private markets? particularly if it becomes publicly known through screenshots on public channels? Like I get into a private market and take some screenshots and put them on reddit, is that not concern about the market being run cleanly?
dasource this has already been answered in another question ... you cannot govern something you cannot access .. the whole point of a private market place is that it is private by the creator and shared with those he wishes to only.. I am not sure what is the misunderstanding here? (edited)
mr_robot I think the concern is that any private market would bypass the community governance and therefor allow any kinds of black market items that could be used to hurt particl's reputation for larger more legitimate things. Ie larger sellers on Amazon wouldn't want to have anything to do with a marketplace that had screenshots of nefarious things being sold... (edited)
dasource I see your point and understand it however let me give you another example ... If you and I use Signal and we decide to trade Cuban Cigars ... you post that on the internet. Should Signal be held liable because they provided a secure means for you to communicate and trade? Particls Private Markets are no different, we are providing a means for people to trade in 100% privacy (anything from cigars to private paintings etc) .. in that environment you cannot govern because it is encrypted for everyone else. Is it possible people may use this for nefarious items? Yes... but it is also possible for that to happen on Signal or any other good encrypted chat platform. Should we stop developing for the good because a few bad actors might use it?
2cuse What about the case where people just don't vote?
umbrah 2cuse: if people do not want to vote, we cannot force them to. this however, remains a feature in the particl
b.b.2k17 this is why i would love to see dPoS
2cuse Seems like you'd have to spend allot of time voting to stop bad stuff that may pop up
throwplastic Is there a legal risk of staking if illegal products are traded on the platform?
umbrah throwplastic: the reason why we are taking a lot of time with foundation is because we want to make sure there are no loopholes in terms of legality. i'm confident that we have this covered
throwplastic Good to know, thanks!
rynomster @2cuse, the required threshold will be set quite low at first, as failed governance will be very fatal for Particl. The network will only be supported while it is being run cleanly
2cuse Hmmm ok that sounds ominous
michaelthecryptoguy Is their a current partner that can re-distribute particl or another coin, back into my choice of monetary unit? (usd, eur, rupee, peso, etc) (edited)
imyb michaelthecryptoguy: yes
mr_robot Can you explain how the governance will work and what will prevent people from gaming the system with multiple accounts?
umbrah mr_robot: the governance will be based on a staking vote (not yet final) we will ensure that there are no duplications
litebit mr_robot: for the market we're still researching and developing models of governance. a seller will need to pay a fee to list which can become expensive if gaming a system. voting will be an incentive for the network so it would become expensive to gain a majority % to manipulate voting
2cuse I could see spammers testing the governance then worth illicit goods
litebit 2cuse: of course. there is no centralized control so the network affect will be in effect :slightly_smiling_face:
macdac Will the people who were gracious enough to donate 25% or more from their bonus receive any incentive outside of just having username be mentioned?
dasource macdac: How does early access to Market sound? Open to ideas
macdac That sounds good
macdac I donated a good amount of coins
umbrah we are actively thinking of ways to reward donators. if you can think of a reasonable reward let us know :slightly_smiling_face:
dasource Thank you .. I am sure the 100s of people who genuinely missed out on the conversion will be grateful
macdac Youre welcome, ive been supporting this project since day one
macdac Early access would be nice ill think of something else and let you know
macdac Hope you guys look at the number of coins donated too when considering because I know that many people had multiple accounts and could have chosen to donate from only 1 but not the rest, I only have one Particl.io accoutn
michaelthecryptoguy Would you be willing to introduce that partner to the :ark: team? (edited)
umbrah michaelthecryptoguy: i don't see any reason not to :slightly_smiling_face:
michaelthecryptoguy :partywizard::slightly_smiling_face::sun: (edited)
michaelthecryptoguy @mike This might be something you would be interested in pursuing.
mike thanks for bringing up.
mr_robot I understand that details of particl being on what exchanges at what time is not currently possible due to the unforseen events of the delays of the terms of service. But is there still open communication with the exchanges and are they responding positively to the idea of listing particl when it's released?
umbrah mr_robot: a lot of exchanges are responding positively. we are actually expecting to be listed a few days after mainnet release, but could not confirm any of exchanges of course
commodore64 litebit, commodore64, and mr_robot @litebit @dasource what if someone gains access to a private market and it's determined that there are undesirable products being sold in there and they take some screenshots and post it up online like in reddit or bitcoin talk or something? Is there a governance model overseeing the private markets at all?
trixter- Particl Team: How much % of wallets are created and how much has been donated to this day?
dasource trixter-: 83% are ready for genesis with 125k Donated
trixter- 125k does that include the teams donation of 40k or without?
dasource that is without .. and the team will match upto 40k based on 5:1 formula ... so 125+25k=150k ... well short of the 250k we are aiming for
trixter- nice Im rooting for the project to achieve this goal. This is a uniqum in crypto that people give away money to help out other people. I hope you guys will provide an address for people to donate their staking rewards to so we can achieve this goal
sdcpod Yea staking to address function would be nice but @dasource said wont be possible im near future due another feature in the pipeline ?
umbrah we will do what we can to stake, but the priority will stil be focused on producing a marketplace
dasource I said "it was unlikely" ... however we wont know until we get down to the nitty gritty on it ... best way to donate to the cause is the increase your donation % before the genesis block
trixter- im alreaddy on 100%
sacode About marketing? Are you doing it all by yourselves or are you going to work with a specialized company?
umbrah sacode: we have a few partners in terms of Pmarketing
umbrah you might have seen taizen and leon fu videos, we have hired PR firms as well
sacode Yep i saw leon fu videos
umbrah :+1::slightly_smiling_face:
litebit we have been ramping up and beginning contracts with professionals beginning in June. in prep for mainnet and PART tokens being live in the wild
sacode So I presume we will start seeing some marketing very soon
sacode :slightly_smiling_face:
sacode This PR firms have any kind experience in crypto world?
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Primecoin's future - Side Chain and Useful Work

Ben: Primecoin is one of the two cryptos that you released. While the Primecoin community is smaller than the Peercoin one, there are a lot of dire hard supporters.
Ben: There is some confusion in the community about the purpose of Primecoin, how it relates to Peercoin, and how it should be marketed.
Ben: Could you please comment on the relationship between Peercoin and Primecoin, and their intended respective purposes?
Sunny King: Primecoin is a different approach to Peercoin as to the energy problem of cryptocurrency. In my opinion proof-of-work would stay for quite some time as at least one of the major security models of decentralized consensus, so putting the computing power to something more useful than just hashing is definitely an important improvement there
Sunny King: Let's put it this way, Adam's hashcash is cool, but at this point it's rather boring don't you think? I think implementing primality testing in ASIC is a lot more useful for computing industry than just a bunch of hash functions, although that's probably my prejudice
Ben: I've noticed that Primecoin recently broke another world record
Sunny King: We know that the current market is highly competitive, right now the scientific approach is not very well capitalized by market. There are a few other networks, all not very well capitalized at the moment. So primecoin is still leading the scientific proof-of-work market.
Ben: Has there been any academic discussion about how these very long Cunningham chains can be put to practical use, beyond as a mechanism to protect cryptocurrencies?
Sunny King: Yes we claimed 14-prime chain record. So primecoin is holding 10-primes through 14-primes world records at the moment.
Sunny King: Not that I am aware of, however these structures have some link to cryptography, so you never know.
Ben: I may be the only one, but I'm excited at the prospect that proof-of-work using the Primecoin algorithm could be put to use pushing scientific research forward. Hopefully we'll hear about interest from outside the cryptography and cryptocurrency domains in the near future
Sunny King: Regarding the relations between peercoin and primecoin, they are designed to each be contenders to the energy efficient and energy intensive market sector of cryptocurrencies
Ben: Did you envision a time where they would be linked at a more fundamental level?
Ben: For instance, is there a development path that could lead to Primecoin someday providing the proof-of-work component for Peercoin?
Sunny King: Most likely not in this fashion, I think peercoin is more likely to move to stop proof-of-work rather than switch to prime mining
Ben: Would you ever consider opening up development for a wallet that could support both XPM and PPC?
Sunny King: But I think primecoin would get its own eco system. If infrastructures of side chains are developed, there will be both for peercoin and primecoin.
Sunny King: As for combined wallet, that's probably too early to say at the moment.
Ben: That's an interesting thought, and one that I had not considered, to be honest.
Ben: The codebases for Primecoin and Peercoin are similar enough that a lot of the development advancements in one (outside of their core hashing schemes or proof-of-work), could be repurposed to work in the other.
Ben: What is the next logical step in Primecoin development on your roadmap?
Sunny King: The main problem is to keep sync with bitcoin's bug fix and new features. Bitcoin's codebase is not very amenable to multi currency wallet development. But this is also something to be looking at from side chain development point-of-view. Currently I think spending the effort to just combine wallet is probably too costly.
Ben: As someone with first-hand experience working with the Qt wallet code, I think that "not very amenable" is a accurate description :)
Sunny King: Like I said, I am looking at possible side chain infrastructure development, we don't want to be left behind bitcoin in this area.
Ben: A related question, and I'll use the submitter's words to preface it...
Sunny King: In fact I have been thinking along this line since 2011. Originally I was thinking about supporting data applications inside peercoin network.
Ben: Let's talk about that a bit (and then come back to the next question)
Sunny King: The main problem is blockchain is not quite scalable for such purposes.
Ben: When you use the term "data applications," what do you have in mind? Would these be different cryptoassets, or something else?
Sunny King: And there are many many different data applications, so the thing would get very crowded
Sunny King: It could be cryptoassets related, ripple has been the pioneer in this, namecoin another pioneer in domain name application, you could have say messaging, or things like file system such as what super3 is considering
Sunny King: So the best approach is probably to let each application have it's own side chain I think, not to interfere with the usability of base currency network
Sentinelrv: For those interested, this is Super3's project: http://storj.io/
Ben: It sounds like you'd be a supporter if anyone wants to work on a "PeerMessage" ala BitMessage, or to take things in a whole different direction
Sunny King: I think yeah if we can provide the infrastructure to other developers that would be very useful
Ben: That's actually comment is actually a nice segue into the last Primecoin related question I had from the community
Ben: The original poster had phrased it something like this:
Ben: I'm working as a "data scientist" (large-scale biology and sequence analysis, setting up workflows and providing understandable ways to visualize such data usually through web-interfaces, as a PostDoc).
Ben: If they were to 'donate' a week of their time to develop something for Primecoin, what would you like to see created?
Sunny King: I think right now it's just a matter of understanding the importance of cryptocurrency movement, I certainly hope the scientific community could put some effort behind primecoin network, say accepting both bitcoin and primecoin.
Sunny King: You could also think about possible side chain applications for scientific use. I think there could be lot of things to be moved to blockchain
Ben: (If anyone else has ideas that they would like to run by the community, please post them on the Primecoin forums.)
Extracted from: PeercoinTalk's Community Interview With Sunny King #4 - June 7th, 2014 http://www.peercointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934.0
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